Sunday, 15 December 2013

Re: [grendelreport] U.S. PLAN GIVES JERUSALEM HOLY SITES TO VATICAN

Kerry is a fool......he sold us down the river in Iran and now agrees that Iran can develop nuclear capabilities..whose side is he on? Ours or the terrorists?
 
In a message dated 12/15/2013 2:11:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, brineb@gmail.com writes:
I've always thought that Jerusalem should be under the control of the Disney Corporation ... then it would be the happiest place on earth and strictly policed!!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:






Kerry's brilliant.  Only neither the Jews nor the Muslims would agree.

B

 

 

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/u-s-plan-gives-jerusalem-holy-sites-to-vatican/

U.S. plan gives Jerusalem holy sites to Vatican

International mandate to control sections of Israel's capital

Published: 1 hour ago

by Aaron Klein

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

TEL AVIV – Secretary of State John Kerry quietly presented a U.S. plan for eastern Jerusalem that calls for an international administrative mandate to control holy sites in the area, according to informed Palestinian and Israeli diplomatic sources.

The exact composition of the international mandate is up for discussion, the sources said, but Kerry's plan recommended a coalition that includes the Vatican, together with a group of Muslim countries such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

The international arrangement is being proposed as a temporary solution for about two to three years while security arrangements in Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians are finalized, said the sources.

Israel, the sources said, was not receptive to the particulars of Kerry's plan, especially the concept of Turkish participation in Jerusalem. Kerry told the Israelis he would hold talks with the Kingdom of Jordan about its playing a leading role in the proposal in the place of Turkey, the sources added.

Kerry was in Jerusalem on Friday as part of an Obama administration effort to reach a deal for a Palestinian state by April, a timeline that is still on track, Kerry told reporters.

"We are working on an approach that both guarantees Israel's security and fully respects Palestinian sovereignty," Kerry added.

According to the Israeli and Palestinian diplomatic sources speaking to WND, Kerry's trip this time around focused specifically on the particulars of security arrangements for the strategic Jordan Valley following a deal.

In October, WND exclusively reported Kerry was strongly urging Israel to give up the Jordan Valley in closed-door talks with the Palestinian Authority.

The current round of U.S.-brokered talks is attempting to hash out the details of a plan for the valley.

The Jordan Valley cuts through the heart of Israel. It runs from the Tiberias River in the north to the Dead Sea in the center to the city of Aqaba at the south of the country, stretching through the biblical Arabah desert.

The U.S. proposal calls for international forces to maintain security control along with unarmed Palestinian police forces, a senior Palestinian Authority negotiator told WND in October. Israel will retain security posts in some strategic areas of the Jordan Valley, according to the U.S. plan.

Previous talks incorporated an element of Jordanian authority in the Jordan Valley, but the Kingdom of Jordan is wary of participating in a future Palestinian state, the negotiator said.

The Palestinian negotiator pointed to the insurgency in Syria and changes of leadership in Egypt as reasons for Jordanian reluctance to assume any security control over Palestinian areas.

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Re: The obvious for the all too often misguided

There is a clear distinction between a candidate now in  the New Millennium, the campaign laws, as compared to one hundred years ago, the media as compared to one hundred years ago, and the distinct advantages a candidate has now, as compared to one hundred years ago.  


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:
1 term in congress. 1 term in the slammer.  Fine by me.


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Brian Bednarek <brineb@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, I suppose I am saying the number of terms ... seems they determined that a President can only have two after FDR ... let's try it for Congress and see what we get!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:05 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

A term is already limited to 2 years (House) and 6 years (Senate).
Limiting the number of terms is contrary to liberty. Amendment 22 should be repealed.
Furthermore -- as already noted -- when a Party Machine can replace Drone A with Drone B, nothing changes except the Putz's name.

Regard$,
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-- H.L. Mencken, The American Credo: A Contribution Toward the Interpretation of the National Mind http://goo.gl/Q3oCp



At 03:56 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
The 90+ reelection rate would be eliminated if they could only be in the house for a few terms and the Senate for a few terms, no ability to run again ... kinda like how the President has at best 2 terms and then it's over, no matter how popular he may be at the time!!!



On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:


There are term limits. There is also a 90%+ re-election rate ...
The problem THEIR is the Party Machines -- interchange Candidate A for Candidate B for Candidate C.

Seems to me that were Government incapable of providing advantages, there would be no power to wield and it would not matter who was in Congress.

Regard$,
--MJ

"We must remember that the principal instrument of government is coercion and that our government officials are no more moral, omnipotent, nor omniscient than are any of the rest of us. Once we understand the basic principles which must be observed if freedom is to be safeguarded against government, we may become more hesitant in turning our personal problems and responsibilities over to that agency of coercion, with its insatiable appetite for power." - W. C. Mullendore





At 03:42 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
I know!!! The problems we have now did not start the day the current President was elected ... the bigger problem is Congress, term limits and no salaries would be a start!!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:01 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
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Fwd: [New post] Borowski: Should Businesses Be Allowed to Discriminate Against Gay People?




Brent P. posted: "Commentary from our favorite "token libertarian": Here's a twister: what would happen if I went to a gay cake baker and asked them to bake me a Westboro Church cake? Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

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Re: The obvious for the all too often misguided

1 term in congress. 1 term in the slammer.  Fine by me.


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Brian Bednarek <brineb@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, I suppose I am saying the number of terms ... seems they determined that a President can only have two after FDR ... let's try it for Congress and see what we get!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:05 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

A term is already limited to 2 years (House) and 6 years (Senate).
Limiting the number of terms is contrary to liberty. Amendment 22 should be repealed.
Furthermore -- as already noted -- when a Party Machine can replace Drone A with Drone B, nothing changes except the Putz's name.

Regard$,
--MJ

"Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent  the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free."
-- H.L. Mencken, The American Credo: A Contribution Toward the Interpretation of the National Mind http://goo.gl/Q3oCp



At 03:56 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
The 90+ reelection rate would be eliminated if they could only be in the house for a few terms and the Senate for a few terms, no ability to run again ... kinda like how the President has at best 2 terms and then it's over, no matter how popular he may be at the time!!!



On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:


There are term limits. There is also a 90%+ re-election rate ...
The problem THEIR is the Party Machines -- interchange Candidate A for Candidate B for Candidate C.

Seems to me that were Government incapable of providing advantages, there would be no power to wield and it would not matter who was in Congress.

Regard$,
--MJ

"We must remember that the principal instrument of government is coercion and that our government officials are no more moral, omnipotent, nor omniscient than are any of the rest of us. Once we understand the basic principles which must be observed if freedom is to be safeguarded against government, we may become more hesitant in turning our personal problems and responsibilities over to that agency of coercion, with its insatiable appetite for power." - W. C. Mullendore





At 03:42 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
I know!!! The problems we have now did not start the day the current President was elected ... the bigger problem is Congress, term limits and no salaries would be a start!!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:01 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
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Re: The obvious for the all too often misguided

OK, I suppose I am saying the number of terms ... seems they determined that a President can only have two after FDR ... let's try it for Congress and see what we get!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:05 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

A term is already limited to 2 years (House) and 6 years (Senate).
Limiting the number of terms is contrary to liberty. Amendment 22 should be repealed.
Furthermore -- as already noted -- when a Party Machine can replace Drone A with Drone B, nothing changes except the Putz's name.

Regard$,
--MJ

"Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent  the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free."
-- H.L. Mencken, The American Credo: A Contribution Toward the Interpretation of the National Mind http://goo.gl/Q3oCp



At 03:56 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
The 90+ reelection rate would be eliminated if they could only be in the house for a few terms and the Senate for a few terms, no ability to run again ... kinda like how the President has at best 2 terms and then it's over, no matter how popular he may be at the time!!!



On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:


There are term limits. There is also a 90%+ re-election rate ...
The problem THEIR is the Party Machines -- interchange Candidate A for Candidate B for Candidate C.

Seems to me that were Government incapable of providing advantages, there would be no power to wield and it would not matter who was in Congress.

Regard$,
--MJ

"We must remember that the principal instrument of government is coercion and that our government officials are no more moral, omnipotent, nor omniscient than are any of the rest of us. Once we understand the basic principles which must be observed if freedom is to be safeguarded against government, we may become more hesitant in turning our personal problems and responsibilities over to that agency of coercion, with its insatiable appetite for power." - W. C. Mullendore





At 03:42 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
I know!!! The problems we have now did not start the day the current President was elected ... the bigger problem is Congress, term limits and no salaries would be a start!!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:01 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
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Re: [grendelreport] U.S. PLAN GIVES JERUSALEM HOLY SITES TO VATICAN

I've always thought that Jerusalem should be under the control of the Disney Corporation ... then it would be the happiest place on earth and strictly policed!!!


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Kerry's brilliant.  Only neither the Jews nor the Muslims would agree.

B

 

 

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/u-s-plan-gives-jerusalem-holy-sites-to-vatican/

U.S. plan gives Jerusalem holy sites to Vatican

International mandate to control sections of Israel's capital

Published: 1 hour ago

by Aaron Klein

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

TEL AVIV – Secretary of State John Kerry quietly presented a U.S. plan for eastern Jerusalem that calls for an international administrative mandate to control holy sites in the area, according to informed Palestinian and Israeli diplomatic sources.

The exact composition of the international mandate is up for discussion, the sources said, but Kerry's plan recommended a coalition that includes the Vatican, together with a group of Muslim countries such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

The international arrangement is being proposed as a temporary solution for about two to three years while security arrangements in Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians are finalized, said the sources.

Israel, the sources said, was not receptive to the particulars of Kerry's plan, especially the concept of Turkish participation in Jerusalem. Kerry told the Israelis he would hold talks with the Kingdom of Jordan about its playing a leading role in the proposal in the place of Turkey, the sources added.

Kerry was in Jerusalem on Friday as part of an Obama administration effort to reach a deal for a Palestinian state by April, a timeline that is still on track, Kerry told reporters.

"We are working on an approach that both guarantees Israel's security and fully respects Palestinian sovereignty," Kerry added.

According to the Israeli and Palestinian diplomatic sources speaking to WND, Kerry's trip this time around focused specifically on the particulars of security arrangements for the strategic Jordan Valley following a deal.

In October, WND exclusively reported Kerry was strongly urging Israel to give up the Jordan Valley in closed-door talks with the Palestinian Authority.

The current round of U.S.-brokered talks is attempting to hash out the details of a plan for the valley.

The Jordan Valley cuts through the heart of Israel. It runs from the Tiberias River in the north to the Dead Sea in the center to the city of Aqaba at the south of the country, stretching through the biblical Arabah desert.

The U.S. proposal calls for international forces to maintain security control along with unarmed Palestinian police forces, a senior Palestinian Authority negotiator told WND in October. Israel will retain security posts in some strategic areas of the Jordan Valley, according to the U.S. plan.

Previous talks incorporated an element of Jordanian authority in the Jordan Valley, but the Kingdom of Jordan is wary of participating in a future Palestinian state, the negotiator said.

The Palestinian negotiator pointed to the insurgency in Syria and changes of leadership in Egypt as reasons for Jordanian reluctance to assume any security control over Palestinian areas.

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Re: The obvious for the all too often misguided


The SAME problem has existed for MORE than a century ... and it has NOTHING to do with limiting the number of terms.

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I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third term. Where's Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by the likes of George Bush no less! -- M. Barry,  Mayor of Washington, DC



At 04:30 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
I used to believe as MJ, but clearly there is now a need to limit the terms that any one politician can ever hold office.....


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I think the 4 biggest threats to this country's survival are:

1.  Congress
2.  The administration
3.  Islam
4.  the idiot voters who keep sending these same shits back.

Term limits:  12 years in Congress both houses included lifetime.


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I know!!! The problems we have now did not start the day the current President was elected ... the bigger problem is Congress, term limits and no salaries would be a start!!!


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Re: The obvious for the all too often misguided

I used to believe as MJ, but clearly there is now a need to limit the terms that any one politician can ever hold office.....


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the 4 biggest threats to this country's survival are:

1.  Congress
2.  The administration
3.  Islam
4.  the idiot voters who keep sending these same shits back.

Term limits:  12 years in Congress both houses included lifetime.


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Brian Bednarek <brineb@gmail.com> wrote:
I know!!! The problems we have now did not start the day the current President was elected ... the bigger problem is Congress, term limits and no salaries would be a start!!!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:01 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:
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